Curse

axe · May 28, 2010, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by snaek

botting was only half of the equation. they also said they were hitting those that "engaged in PvP match manipulation", which is exactly what rr is. also, proof that they can back up, but refuse to do so--what's the point of that?

This dude has a point,

I want to drink so many more tears please Anet, they will be so delicious

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 05:42 PM // 17:42

ah, so this is just about blood. nice. maybe next we can banish all the people with a name starting in Q, its such a nasty letter, and after all who doesn't want to see them suffer.... seriously though everything that was just dealt with IS the topic now. i personally liked HB and i think it was a fun, but dead format. i could go on at length about its replacement, but thats not for here. RR day was squashed effectivly, it doesn't exist now and if it did, ban away. the warning is there. now they can act on it. i say if it starts up again, ban away.

Mangione · May 28, 2010, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by snaek

1. people who rr'd are still playing the game and are still keeping the wealth they earned from rr.
2. people who rr'd generally didnt give a shit bout hb.
3. i cared about hb, and i refused to take part in rr. yet i still have to see it removed (along with ta which was a complete dick ass move).
4. i have never botted, nor have i ever been banned.

anything else? i feel that people who weren't in the 3900 are so quick to judge.

personally, i would just like to see some justification or at least some clarification of anet's actions. right now to me, it seems very selective/random.

^---- this.

Red Resign was match manipulation.
I don't think they will ban anyone for it, but still it was a blatant violation of the rules.
I guess they still have the logs somewhere, but it would be an extremely bad advertising for Anet to ban (tens of?) thousands of players for breaking the rules... more than a year ago.

Anet has not been too strict into enforcing its own rules...

I'm glad they banned the botters, I can only hope they will be more strict in enforcing them.

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by Mangione

^---- this.

Red Resign was match manipulation.
I don't think they will ban anyone for it, but still it was a blatant violation of the rules.
I guess they still have the logs somewhere, but it would be an extremely bad advertising for Anet to ban (tens of?) thousands of players for breaking the rules... more than a year ago.

Anet has not been too strict into enforcing its own rules...

I'm glad they banned the botters, I can only hope they will be more strict in enforcing them.

inclined to agree. i think at this point its about enforcement. when RR became a common thing, i believe a focus started on match manipulation, and i think it has been an improvement, in many ways it put the topic in a public light. now we actually hear about the high end match manipulation. so in a strange way i'm thankful it got focused on, it put the light on better and existing formats not being tainted. so as far as seeking blood for a format that no longer exists, nah, not needed, as far as preventing it from happening again? totally needed! perhaps there are people that botted long ago that are back in the game after anet punished them for it long ago, do i ask that they be banned? nope, they served their punishment when anet gave it to them. to ban them now for a thing they already payed for would be wrong in several ways.

axe · May 28, 2010, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

inclined to agree. i think at this point its about enforcement. when RR became a common thing, i believe a focus started on match manipulation, and i think it has been an improvement, in many ways it put the topic in a public light. now we actually hear about the high end match manipulation. so in a strange way i'm thankful it got focused on, it put the light on better and existing formats not being tainted. so as far as seeking blood for a format that no longer exists, nah, not needed, as far as preventing it from happening again? totally needed! perhaps there are people that botted long ago that are back in the game after anet punished them for it long ago, do i ask that they be banned? nope, they served their punishment when anet gave it to them. to ban them now for a thing they already payed for would be wrong in several ways.

Dont worry, I dont think anyone suspects you of RR Exploits, so your acct. is safe. But should you get banned for RR, I will be in here with the rest of the banpires to drink your tears.

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by axe

Dont worry, I dont think anyone suspects you of RR Exploits, so your acct. is safe. But should you get banned for RR, I will be in here with the rest of the banpires to drink your tears.

bit of a tear drinker myself

T RAND · May 28, 2010, 06:39 PM // 18:39

read about the 'bots' being banned
went to Jade Quarry today to check on it
The bots are still in Jade Quarry
The botting guilds are still active in Jade Quarry.
Anet wouldn't know a bot if it continually suicided into the 'enemy' base.
The 'good news' responses in this thread are amusing. PvP is still controlled by the botters.
The same bots have been in Jade Quarry for years. From an honest players point of view, Anet accomplished nothing. Anet has had years to do something about the bots and cheaters, and accomplished nothing. Saying you take this seriously doesn't count for anything. Results are what counts. The results say it all. Anet has accomplished nothing, and doesn't take the botters and cheaters seriously.

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by T RAND

read about the 'bots' being banned
went to Jade Quarry today to check on it
The bots are still in Jade Quarry
The botting guilds are still active in Jade Quarry.
Anet wouldn't know a bot if it continually suicided into the 'enemy' base.
The 'good news' responses in this thread are amusing. PvP is still controlled by the botters.
The same bots have been in Jade Quarry for years. From an honest players point of view, Anet accomplished nothing. Anet has had years to do something about the bots and cheaters, and accomplished nothing. Saying you take this seriously doesn't count for anything. Results are what counts. The results say it all. Anet has accomplished nothing, and doesn't take the botters and cheaters seriously.

you seem way madder then you need to be, try the new reporting methods. if not then be quiet about it, not taking action yourself means you must care less then you accuse Anet of caring.

jonnieboi05 · May 28, 2010, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by JoeGrogan

Man gets to court and discovers his lawyer is running an interupt bot.

"Would the court be seate..."
"OBJECTION!"
"Silence in my cour..."
"OBJECTION! LEADING THE WITNESS!"
"Case disimissed, you're in contempt - PERMABAN FROM PRACTICING."

i lol'ed for a moment there. xD

Rocky Raccoon · May 28, 2010, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by T RAND

read about the 'bots' being banned
went to Jade Quarry today to check on it
The bots are still in Jade Quarry
The botting guilds are still active in Jade Quarry.
Anet wouldn't know a bot if it continually suicided into the 'enemy' base.
The 'good news' responses in this thread are amusing. PvP is still controlled by the botters.
The same bots have been in Jade Quarry for years. From an honest players point of view, Anet accomplished nothing. Anet has had years to do something about the bots and cheaters, and accomplished nothing. Saying you take this seriously doesn't count for anything. Results are what counts. The results say it all. Anet has accomplished nothing, and doesn't take the botters and cheaters seriously.

Instead of complaining here you should be reporting those you know who are botting, if you don't you are condoning them.

Lucci_Slevin · May 28, 2010, 07:29 PM // 19:29

GG Anet.

It would appear that none of our guildies were taken out by the ban. GJ guys, I am proud of uz

Golgotha · May 28, 2010, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Unlike others I'm not going to dance and gloat about others being banned, but I will say that you knew that this day would come. Some day, it was going to happen and you took the risk.

Ariovist Lynxkind · May 28, 2010, 11:19 PM // 23:19

Just thought I would touch on this.

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Originally Posted by snaek

anet refuses to show anyone any evidence (afaik). lol wut evidence? i smell bs on both ends.

support very likely has no evidence. anet probably has some kind of record, but i am 99% sure that support does not have access to it (or simply just cant be bothered to). in other words, your probably not getting help because quite frankly support is unable to help you.

this is from admittedly another thread, but I have seen it a couple of times here and elsewhere.

Sorry, but I cant help but facepalm. Some are going to call me a sheep for saying this, but this is the logical conclusion I have reached for the no-show of evidence. Say hypothetically Anet shows such evidence:

One person complaining who is a botter gets hold of said evidence. Botter passes evidence onto the botting forums. Bot programmers use said evidence to work a way around it.

Follow my logic? Pretty much by showing the evidence, Anet is also showing their way of bot detection, thus leaving it open for ways to be worked around it, thus defeating the purpose of having it in the first place.

Rocky Raccoon · May 28, 2010, 11:32 PM // 23:32

Play the game as it was shipped in the package and you will never have a problem.

snaek · May 28, 2010, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind

Just thought I would touch on this.

this is from admittedly another thread, but I have seen it a couple of times here and elsewhere.

Sorry, but I cant help but facepalm. Some are going to call me a sheep for saying this, but this is the logical conclusion I have reached for the no-show of evidence. Say hypothetically Anet shows such evidence:

One person complaining who is a botter gets hold of said evidence. Botter passes evidence onto the botting forums. Bot programmers use said evidence to work a way around it.

Follow my logic? Pretty much by showing the evidence, Anet is also showing their way of bot detection, thus leaving it open for ways to be worked around it, thus defeating the purpose of having it in the first place.

"you were banned for using xy bot." <--- how exactly is this dangerous information in the hands of a bot programmer?

new versions of bots are going to come out regardless. telling a person exactly what they were banned for isn't going to help the botscene, other than perhaps let them know which bots they can no longer use and will have to update. but like i said, new bots are going to come out regardless.

headlesshobbs · May 28, 2010, 11:38 PM // 23:38

oh a bot is a bot of course of course....

cebalrai · May 28, 2010, 11:45 PM // 23:45

JQ and FA are now a lot easier to play without the legions of bots.

They're actually fun again.

pumpkin pie · May 29, 2010, 12:49 AM // 00:49

I think they have more information then just: you are using XY Bot.

I think they have your character's name, ie Character DDD is using XY Bot in JQ on these date, time, and your character ran from point a to b to c X amount of time, etc.

Klimtog · May 29, 2010, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by snaek

"you were banned for using xy bot." <--- how exactly is this dangerous information in the hands of a bot programmer?

new versions of bots are going to come out regardless. telling a person exactly what they were banned for isn't going to help the botscene, other than perhaps let them know which bots they can no longer use and will have to update. but like i said, new bots are going to come out regardless.

That's not really any evidence. That would be ArenaNet saying X used Y bot, and X saying they didn't. We'd still be where we are now with so many banned players claiming to have never botted (and for some, this is probably true. Contact support if it is.) or anything of the sort. To produce actual evidence that someone was using a bot would do exactly as was stated, showing the bot creators exactly what to do to keep their bots under the radar.

Oblivious Moose · May 29, 2010, 01:51 AM // 01:51

Don't forget, people were also banned for match manipulation. Which includes a large number of HA players whom obtained their rank very quickly in these past months. Not to mention those linked to joining the other faction in AB, and quitting/forcible death to push a win.

Same thing goes for all the PvP content. Regardless if the player has NEVER used a bot in GW.